little help please

[Jes Rathbun]

hey guys I just got a pny,VERTO, GeForce 8400 gs 512 mb graphics card and it still says that my polygon rate sucks : is there any way I can make it a little better. The polygon rate says it is bottlenecked, the speed says great, and the fill rate says awsome. The only other thing it says is it needs a 300w power supply do I flip the switch that says 115w by the power cord on the back of my machinen to the higher one? Please only reply if you know somthing not grasping at straws. Thanks in advance

Jess 96

[groverhardt]

I'm not sure exactly what equipment you have, but the switch setting on power supplies generally relates to the power coming out of your wall outlet, and should not be messed with if you have it on the proper setting. The machine speed reading is directly related to your CPU speed, so you'll be limited to what your running there. It won't even show the speed for dual or quad processors, because the program is not designed to read them. The other two readings are realative to your picture quality capabilities from your video card, which is relative to the quality of your motherboard. I'm assuming with the model number of your graphics card that it is a PCIe or higher end of lesser card types. They generally require more power, consequently your system does too, especially if your running two or more cards in SLI configuration or crossfire configuration, depending on your system. I'm assuming you have updated your video card driver, and have your video settings optimized. Over the years in nascar heat circles we've often found when upgrading hardware, especially video cards, that some problems are eliminated by simply getting a higher power supply. On a standard system I would not use less than at least 400watt to 500watt for gaming such as we do if you want to realize your video capabilities. If you have a typical high end system, and/or plan to ever run dual video cards, you don't want less than 600watt. Investing in a bigger power supply can be an easy fix, and it's worth trying, because they are relatively inexpensive. I had a higher end system for 2000 with a lower end Gforce graphics card at that time, and it didn't even like less than 400watt. Hardware's come a long way since then, and I don't think I would go less than 600 on any newer system anymore. Buying a system with a lesser power supply is just a way to cut costs unnecessarily. Hope that answered your question and helps. Less than 400watt is like having a sports car with a standard 4 cylinder in it. LOL

[bover907]

Jess,

DO NOT MOVE THE SWITCH at the bottom of your power supply! That is the 115/220 volt switch, and if you switch that, you could fry your computer! You'd only move that switch if you were in another country that uses 220v electricity.

Now, with the video issues. It seems like most people are getting crapy frame rates with heat when using a new nvidia card or a newer driver on an older card. This card seems pretty new. You could try uninstalling all the nvidia software and drivers and letting windows install a driver, which may or may not work. Other than that, I am not sure what to tell you to do. I ended up going back to an older driver after updating to a newer one trashed my framerates, but in your case you don't want to use a driver that is older than your card. In other words don't use an nvidia driver older than the one that came with the card's CD.

The other thing to look at is if Anti aliasing and aniosotrophic filtering are set to "application controlled" as described in this thread.

Sorry man, best I can do for ya.

[bover907]

Grove and I were typing at the same time.

[groverhardt]

There's a couple options for ya. I've never had a problem with my Gforce cards. Unlike Radeon. I had a 32mb Gforce that ran better than a 100+mb Radeon that I tried. On my newer high end system now I'm running a PCIe Gforce 9800GTX 512mb card because I'm cheap. I've just used the latest driver out with no problem. I've got all the video settings maxed out, and it runs smooth.

[Jes Rathbun]

My ktris is only 797 max I havent seen it get any better than that so far but the game seems to run fine. I have been online with some guys and I have been offline practicing in the "practice mode" so I can see if the game "glitches" or "slows up" while racing.... and everything seemed to check out. I tried all the suggestions that were givin to me, thanks guys, but the ktris still hasnt gotten better :doubt: the splash screens have little horizontal lines in them,.. but when I drive in the game, in any mode, I don't see them. Here is all the specs:
my machine is a:

Dell Demention 2100, 800 speed,512 of ram, intel celeron processer, XP home addition version 2002, service pack 3, with my new NVIDIA GeForce 8400 gs graphics card.

now for the card:

NVIDIA GeForce 8400GS: 567 MHz core clock,512MB DDR2 memory,64-bit memory interface,667 MHzmemory data rate(effective), DVI-I+VGA outputs supported,S-Vidio output,HDCP capable, and Dual 400MHz RAMDACs..... WHAT? Most of this I dont understand but like I said before it seem to be ok but I'M sure there has to be a tweak to make it better

[bover907]

Dell Demention 2100, 512 of ram

There's one or maybe two of your problems.

• Look at the power supply on your Dell, Look for the data plate, where it say's max power xxx watts Most name brand computers are underpowered. If your machine has less than 500W max, it'll need a power supply upgrade.
• 512 MB of ram really isn't enough for Windows XP. XP runs Ideal with 1Gig or more. (1Gig is fine, trust me) Granted you got 512MB of video memory, which is more than adequate, but that 512MB of system ram is probalby your bottleneck.

Ideal system memory is at least 1Gig for XP and 2Gig for Vista. Ideal Max Power rating is at least 500W probably for your SLI video card. I bet that dell has a 250W power supply in it. I don't know why the hell computer manufacturers always underpower their products.

Hope that helps.

[Jes Rathbun]

Thanks Bov I'II check

[groverhardt]

They underpower them to pass the savings on to you. LOL I agree with Bove. First off there is no question you need more ram than that. Then if you haven't, you need more power. 500 should be plenty for your system. More in those departments is always better, easy to change out, and cheap. 1Gig ram should "get you by" in my opinion, and may very well be adequate. I'd prefer 2Gig if I were you. I'm preferential to Corsair ram. Kingston is also reliable. Watch your ram speeds also. Use as much as your computer can handle. Your manual should list the legend ram options. These options are ram that the factory has tested on the motherboard and had not problem. Also, if you're running DDR2 or higher ram, and using more than one stick, you're better off going with all at once instead of upgrading later. These newer ram sticks are more sensitive to mix and matching. The two and four stick combo's you can get are matched sets from the factory. 98 OS editions only recognized 512mb. Subsequently people that upgraded to XP found 512mb was not enough, and yes Vista uses even more ram. XP is the way to go right now. They are all upgrades of a very similar OS. 98 editions were first to recognize broadband, but limited on ram size. One addition of XP is that it will recognize more ram. One of the major additions to Vista is a bunch more built in protections that is causing everyone problems. Plus they are coming out with a new OS this year. Just as a base of comparison, on my new high end system, I went cheap on my power supply, running 600watt. Using XP, I'm running 4Gig's of heat sink ram at 1066Mhz. Yes it makes my car faster LOL :badgrin:

[Jes Rathbun]

Thanks a million BOV and GROVER I will get another stick of RAM and upgrade my power supply and see where that leads me. Thanks again
I rate this help at a 10 of 10 ..lol :lol:

96 Jess

[bover907]

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[groverhardt]

I buy everything from Tigerdirect.com. Good equipment selection, helpful tech guys, and good RMA also. Their prices are decent. I usually wait until what I really want goes on sale. Word of caution on rebates tho. I've been screwed a couple times on them, but last one came through ok. Example price: I got 4Gig of Dominator 1066 heat sink ram that came with ram fans for $80.00 after sale+rebate. See if you can find those sticks anywhere for under $150.00, especially with the fans.

[DusterLag]

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[Jes Rathbun]

well here i am again this time i got a Antec Basiq BP 350 yippy the problem now is the main 20 pin connector has a blank area,pin, in the wrong spot I have looked everywhere online to find the spec on the main 20/24 connector pin my old power supply is http://support.dell.com/support/edocs/s ... wer_supply the new power supply has the 18 spot not connected the old ,as you see, has the 19 spot not connected cant i just move it over and it will work? "sign" ops:

[Jes Rathbun]

ops: SHIT sorry this is the pix of the new connection see the empty slot
http://c1.neweggimages.com/NeweggImage/ ... 013-11.jpg

[bover907]

• There's some compatible replacements listed on ebay...
• This one @400W
• and this one @ 600W

And here's a list of a couple compatible powersupply's from Newegg, which aren't quite as cheap as the ebay option, but you eliminate the insecurity of the whole ebay bit. I am always scared when I bid on ebay that I'm going to get a piece of shit, maybe it's just me, lol.

I also saw a converter cable when I google searched power supplies, but it cost as much as some of the power supplies.

Don't go rearranging wires unless you have the pin-out specs for both your old and new power supplies. Also, IMO you'll be just as bad off on the power department with the 350W jobber you got. Maybe not, though. That's just my two cents.

[Jes Rathbun]

going to try to load a older Operating Sytem maybe that will work....98 which is not used or /M.E moneys tight....

[Jes Rathbun]

the "glitching" is too bad to race with (almost) I dont want to ruin someones season for my bullshit.... it freezes around too many "moving parts" then catches up and freezes again

[Jes Rathbun]

does anyone have a M.E disk ops:

[Reef]

if i were u, id take the $$ gonna be spent on upgrades and goto wally world and buy a new pc. I saw the specs on your current machine and there very little room for upgrades.