NBS Talladega

[Rookiesrock]

RACE RESULTS

Track: Talladega
Laps: 56
Realism: Hardcore
AI Strength: Medium
Rules: Black

Pos Car Driver Result Best Lap Laps Led
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1 421 Mustangman 47:35.634 47.626 2
2 58 bover907 +0.659 47.713 18
3 120 Rookiesrock +4.855 47.706 22
4 871 lepage71 +9.939 47.674 0
5 352 d3efan +10.906 47.815 7
6 43 Petty +31.304 47.676 0
7 7 T-bone +44.610 47.652 7
8 125 Bmxtwins +1L 47.802 0
9 979 Breeze +1L 47.678 0
10 426 Patch +2L 48.013 0
11 92 BlackKnight +2L 48.203 0
12 303 Grove +2L 47.993 0
13 322 Hammer +4L 47.703 0

[bover907]

GR Mustang. I had a funny feeling about pitting with the large group on stop 2, so I stayed out, and they all did in fact trade paint and get black flags, etc. That put me with a sizable lead, and drafting help. Mustangman and BMX proved that they can cooperate better than the Busch brothers ever have, so I was the lone man out. All you can do is put yourself in position to win, and it'll come.

[Hammer]

All you can do is put yourself in position to win, and it'll come.

funny, I was never given the opportunity due to the horrible job at handling the start from a setup standpoint and a driving standpoint. Only the second time I've ever qualified in the top 5 for a plate race. What do I have to do then? Start on the last row. A handful of people got completely screwed. A pace lap wouldn't have been difficult, especially at a track that is over 2.5 miles longs. Also with fuel millage not a huge problem it wouldn't have made a difference. So someone black screened and messed up the grid. It's the internet, its computers, it happens But it is pretty fucking frustrating how the time is taken to try and get things right. But then when that doesn't work the best alternative available is completely shot down.

Instead drivers who qualified 3rd and 5th were taken out by others who never belonged up front.

[mustangman759]

Yea GR bov, we were up front because we didnt kill our selves while pitting. I didnt want to lead the race but the way it turned out I was able to. Thanks to breeze for helping me get back up witht hat three car draft, I owe ya
and, I got to agree with there should have been a pacelap, whether it be double or single file would have been fair. I Qed 7th and was more satisfied than starting outside row in 4th.

[DusterLag]

NBS Results...

[Rookiesrock]

Yes NBS lol, it was a tramatic night.

[bmxtwins]

Petty started 6th and finished 6th = hardcharger? Or are we going by the actual starting spots ??


Also, adding onto what hammer said. In order for lepage's scenario to work, you have to qual and have set provisional; and then do it like lp did. I did this in my league when the pacecar got ahead of those who would accidentally come in after q etc.

[SpeedyExiter]

Petty started 6th and finished 6th = hardcharger? Or are we going by the actual starting spots ??

Petty actually started in the 11th position and gained 5 spots to finish 6th ,hence the "hard charger'.

I also agree with Hammer.I was highly disappointed with the decision to start the race in the incorrect Qualifying order.My best qualifying position in NHRL
(3rd) {47.917} and get rewarded with a lousy starting position(10th)! If not a Q -Line up lap, shouldn't it have at least been brought to a
league members vote?
Spent the time to practice it and get it right, whats a few more minutes getting the correct, and fair line up. ("hurry up !lets go ")<bullchit !

[lepage71]

Petty started 6th and finished 6th = hardcharger? Or are we going by the actual starting spots ??

Yes, the awards that involve positions were distributed based on the random start. One update though: Breeze should have gotten the Die Hard award and Patch should have gotten the Headache award. This has been fixed in the results.

If not a Q -Line up lap, shouldn't it have at least been brought to a league members vote?

If we decided to do a vote. The rules don't mention voting.

funny, I was never given the opportunity due to the horrible job at handling the start from a setup standpoint and a driving standpoint. Only the second time I've ever qualified in the top 5 for a plate race. What do I have to do then? Start on the last row. A handful of people got completely screwed. A pace lap wouldn't have been difficult, especially at a track that is over 2.5 miles longs. Also with fuel millage not a huge problem it wouldn't have made a difference. So someone black screened and messed up the grid. It's the internet, its computers, it happens But it is pretty fucking frustrating how the time is taken to try and get things right. But then when that doesn't work the best alternative available is completely shot down.

I wouldn't say anything was shot down. We made the decision to use the random start based partially on time constraints. The wisdom of that can be debated, of course, given the hindsight of knowing we'd be involved in a crash. I'm frustrated as well.

Spent the time to practice it and get it right, whats a few more minutes getting the correct, and fair line up. ("hurry up !lets go ")<bullchit !

In past experiences, it's taken upwards of 20 minutes or more get the pace lap correct. The idea that it's a few minutes isn't quite right. I also had confidence that 13 league members could get off to a solid start, regardless of who starts where. Once we got a clean grid, it looked good: everyone was in the draft through turns 1 and 2 and suddenly a pileup happened on the back straight. It's hard to anticipate that but obviously you should be disappointed.

[Hammer]

If we decided to do a vote. The rules don't mention voting.

But the website says the rules are "fair".

I wouldn't say anything was shot down. We made the decision to use the random start based partially on time constraints. The wisdom of that can be debated, of course, given the hindsight of knowing we'd be involved in a crash.

Time constraints? Really? So that time I pulled in practice to get a faster qualifing run was wasted. Talladega is a big track, plenty of lap time to get a flowing pace lap. I hate the idea, trust me. But we already spent time getting it right, an extra few minutes wouldn't have done anything. Plus the race distance was 56 laps. If any driver had trouble getting 14 laps exactly they had some real issues. Doing a pace lap would have had no effect on fuel millage. There was no reason not to attempt one.

In past experiences, it's taken upwards of 20 minutes or more get the pace lap correct. The idea that it's a few minutes isn't quite right. I also had confidence that 13 league members could get off to a solid start, regardless of who starts where. Once we got a clean grid, it looked good: everyone was in the draft through turns 1 and 2 and suddenly a pileup happened on the back straight. It's hard to anticipate that but obviously you should be frustrated.

That's the past. BMX, Mustang, Patch, myself have all had expirence doing pace laps at speedsims with faster accelerating cars. Rookie, yourself, dan, bover, grove (douchebag), speedy etc are more than capable of handling it. This is a track where its also easier to maintain speed.

It should have been given a chance.

[bmxtwins]

At my league we manage pace laps if necessary, and usually there is no problem. I agree with easton that this race was crap, but nothing we can do now so live with it. Everyone makes mistakes, maybe this was lepage's first one.

Thought I think it would be good to have an actual starting spot mentioned in the official results maybe in parentheses so we atleast can see that.

[bover907]

Yeah, and if the Osama Bin Laden raid turned out to be a gaffe, There's be a long line o cricify Obama, with me near the front. Hindsight's always 20/20, so Let's not be so quick to bash lp or the rest of the admin, for the handling of Friday's festivities.

[mustangman759]

In past experiences, it's taken upwards of 20 minutes or more get the pace lap correct. The idea that it's a few minutes isn't quite right. I also had confidence that 13 league members could get off to a solid start, regardless of who starts where. Once we got a clean grid, it looked good: everyone was in the draft through turns 1 and 2 and suddenly a pileup happened on the back straight. It's hard to anticipate that but obviously you should be disappointed.

the department of transportation should strip these drivers of their driving licenses then, if you cant drive a pace lap in a video game then you shouldnt be allowed to drive on the highway during rushhour...
tbh, I think anyone who has commen sence can drive a pace lap. In a road course league run on the LFS simulator the league starts with 3 wide starts so I dont think it is impossible to do a single file start or even double file on a WIDE track like 'Dega (also consider the fact that RR runs yellow flag scenarios and multiple drivers from here have raced there)... Positions earned by qualifying should be kept (period), considering I even had the qualifying times saved on my laptop PC which was PMed to you post race...
I'll also mention that Breeze and Tbone are accustomed to pace laps via RR, so more than half the field had the ability and the others had done it before without a problem as well.
But we cannot harp/change on the past, only learn from it